What is the “Substantial Presence” test and what is the connection between it and the U.S. IRS 8840 form, the “Closer Connection Exception Statement for Aliens”?
With a submitted 8840 form, a Canadian Snowbird can “prove” they have a closer connection to another non-US country even though they are staying in the U.S. for an extended period each year. Otherwise, Snowbirds staying in the U.S. each year could be determined as having a “Substantial Presence” in the U.S. and then could be dunned for U.S. Income Tax, even if that Canadian doesn’t earn money in the U.S., or live there full time.
Three important and simple questions to answer;
- Were you in the United States for more than 31 days in the last calendar year?
- Did you spend days in the U.S. the calendar year prior to that?
- Did you spend days in the U.S. the calendar year before that?
If you did then you may want to calculate if you have had a “Substantial Presence” in the U.S. for the last full calendar year to be sure you aren’t suprised by the IRS inquiries.
Here’s how to calculate “Substantial Presence”:
- What will be the total days in the U.S. last full calendar year including all short trips? (For example we’ll use: 95)
- How many days were you in the U.S. the calendar year before that including all short trips? (For example we’ll use: 85)
- How many days were you in the U.S. the calendar year before that including all short trips? (For example we’ll use: 106)
For determining if there is “Substantial Presence” you calculate as follows:
- Last full calendar year – 95 days (Replace the 95 with your actual number of days in the U.S. the last full calendar year)
- The year before the last calendar year – 85 days divided by 3 = 29 (Replace the 85 with your actual number of days in the U.S, then divide your days by 3)
- In the full calendar year before that – 106 days divided by 6 = 18 (Replace the 106 with your actual number of days in the U.S. the year before and divide your days by 6)
In our example, we logged 142 days towards a “Substantial Presence” for the 3 full years before this one according to the formula that is provided by the IRS.
Do we have a substantial presence then? No, we do not. According to the I.R.S., the total number of days over the 3 years has to be 183 (when using their formula) or more for a traveller tho have a “Substantial Presence” in the U.S., and be liable for U. S. income tax.
However, to be sure there’s not a mistake, if your total days gets close to the 183, you might want to fill out the 8840 anyway. If so, it must be filled out a filed before June 15 of the following year.
Have a “Substantial Presence? It’s 8840 form time.
It’s almost impossible to contact the U.S. IRS from Canada about form 8840 to get guidance except by mail. Their online FAQ’s don’t refer to the 8840 form at all. The guide below is how I would fill out the form as a Canadian Snowbird. If you have submitted 8840 forms in the past with success, please review the instructions below based on your experience and please comment so that fellow citizens can have the most current and correct information. Thank you.
A Canadian with a “Substantial Presence” in the U.S. means you MUST take steps to prove to the U.S. Internal Revenue Service that even though you spend a lot of time there, you are not a U.S. citizen or a resident alien and that you do qualify for their “Closer Connection Exception” to paying U.S. taxes.
To qualify for this exemption Form 8840 is what you have to use. It’s also known as a Closer Connection Exception Statement for Aliens.
Each year the IRS updates the Form 8840. The form examples I’ve shown above and below were downloaded in 2022. The form shows that it’s for the year 2021. Next year, presumably, the fresh form would show 2022 for the previous calendar year, and so on.
How a Canadian Citizen completes the 8840 form.
The following graphics show segments of the 8840 form with instructions below each graphic about how to fill out that portion of the form. On the graphic are red numbers in a circle. If you look below the graphic, the numbers are there as well, and describe what goes in each section.
Further along on this page is a link to download the form from the IRS along with guidance on how to submit the form.
In this next area I’ve “cut the form up” into chunks digitally to make it, I hope, easier for you to know what goes where.
The first section I’ve selected is with the answers keyed below this graphic by number:
- Disregard this if you are a Canadian Snowbird as you will not have U.S. tax return.
- Input the dates of the year for which you are submitting the form. Since it’s based on calendar years, I input Jan 1 and December 31 of the same year, for the year the form applies to. In this case, 2021.
- After filling in your name and address leave the U.S. taxpayer number blank.
- Complete home address in Canada.
- Your address while in the U.S. If a rental, use that address, if an owned home that address. and if you are mobile and staying in National Parks or campgrounds, one of them is the address to use.
- Input the date you entered the U.S. in the previous calendar year. If you were already in the U.S. at your Snowbird home then, enter January 1 since this form is for all of 2022,
- Canada.
- Canada ( assuming it’s a Canadian Passport you use ).
- Enter your passport number.
- Enter the days for each of the years that you have calculated using the formula above in how to calculate “substantial presence”.
- No.
- Canada.
- Canada.
The next section of form 8840 to fill out is shown in the graphic just below, with the inputs shown by number just below it:
- Presumably Canada. If not, sorry, you’re on your own.
- Note that it refers to a “permanent” home. A Snowbird owned home in the southern U.S. is presuably not your permanent home.
- Typically that would be Canada too. If you’ve got children that flew the nest internationally, focus on the many relatives, cousins, brothers, and sisters that dwell in Canada, and I would answer Canada here.
- Some Snowbirds own a U.S. vehicle for use in the winter, and another at home in Canada. If you drive, like us, it’s Canada. If you own a vehicle in both countries, I would answer with Canada first, then the U.S.
- Same answer as number 4.
- To my mind this refers to your year-round residence, and I would answer Canada.
- For most of this, the answer here is Canada.
- Unless you have a permit to do so, a Canadian can’t work in the U.S. The logical answer here is Canada, and I wouldn’t hesitate to enter “retired” here.
The last section of form 8840 for you to fill out is shown in the graphic just below, with the inputs in shown by number just below the graphic:
- Write in the province where your license was issued.
- This is a tough one as some countries / states don’t allow a driver to have two licenses. On the other hand, I know of one Canadian driver that holds an Ontario license and a Florida license. If you have two, put in the both is my advice.
- In Canada we get on the voters list of our country automatically, typically from our federal tax returns and provincially from our provincial tax returns from the fed’s form. Though we don’t “register” I would put in the province in which we vote in this field.
- Presumably Canada. If not, you’re on your own. 🙂
- Unless you are earning money in the U.S. somehow, all of these should be checked “no” except, perhaps, for 25C. I have no way of knowing your answer to this.
- If you are Canadian, presumably the answer here is Canada.
- If you are retired, I would expect that the answer is Canada. If you are earning the bulk of your income from another country, I hope it’s not the U.S. 🙂
- If you do you be best advised to provide details.
- Any investments we have are in Canada so we would show Canada. If other than Canada, list the country where you have investments.
- Check ‘yes’ and then input Canada on the ‘yes’ line below the check.
- Sign the form, date it too, and you’re done.
What Form 8840 Does
By filling out the IRS 8840 Form you are providing evidence to the IRS that, even though you may stay in the U.S. for extended periods of time each year and – by their formula – they have determined that you have a substantial presence in the U.S., you should be exempt from having to pay U.S. income tax.
Where Do You Get IRS 8840 Form?
You can download a copy in .PDF format if you visit this URL: http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f8840.pdf
Print it or save the form to your computer to be printed and filled out at a later date.
Submitting the 8840 form:
After you have filled out the form you have to submit it to the IRS. How?
- If you do not have to file a U.S. tax return then send the Form 8840 to:
Department of the Treasury,
Internal Revenue Service Center,
Austin, TX 73301-0215
If you have to file a U.S. income tax return:
- If you are filing a 2014 Form 1040NR or Form 1040NR-EZ, attach Form 8840 to it. Mail your tax return by the due date (including extensions) to the address shown in your tax return instructions.
When Do You Have To File Your Form 8840?
Each year you spend more than 31 days in the U.S., and using the information found above determine that you have a “Substantial Presence” there, you must file the form in the current year by June 15.
Word to the wise; if it were us, we wouldn’t delay, but would submit the form as quickly as we can to allow as much time for the ponderous wheels of government to turn, and for a resolution to this issue before we next wanted to take our Canadian Snowbird journey to the United States.
Hope this helps. Good luck!
I sold a US home in Feb this year. I filed a Form 8840 each year. At the time of closing, the Federal withholding tax was remitted to IRS. Do we now have to file a US tax return in order to receive the tax refund? About the same time as we purchased this property we sold the home we… Read more »
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Typical confusing government form. Can you answer a few basic questions?; We are snowbirds who own a vacation home in Florida which we do NOT rent: Question 15- do we include our vacation home? Question 20- we have a bank acct in the U.S for bill payments only. Do we include it? Question 28- Income from U.S sources. Should we… Read more »
These questions must be answered by the authorities at the IRS.
I have been filing an 8840 since 2019 because I take my motorhome to the US for the winter. Except this year I was bombarded with family issues as soon as I returned home and completely forgot to file my 8840. I mailed now it but it will arrive after the due date. I read I could face severe fines… Read more »
Oh no! I feel your pain. I am going to assume that the amount of time you spend in the U.S. actually requires your submission of the 8840? Assuming so, I am not privy to how the IRS enforces rules. Sure, try to call them – contact IRS 1-800-829-1040 – but can you reach someone that actually cares…? Good luck.… Read more »
This article is wrong; the substantial presence test does not apply to tax residents of Canada, it’s overridden by Article 4 of the US-Canada tax treaty which defines a different residency test, which is much simpler, basically, if you make your home in Canada and keep most of your stuff there, you’re resident in Canada for tax purposes. If you… Read more »
Respectifully disagree. The site is oriented to Canadians visiting the U.S. for an extended stay each winter, and as such, have to be mindful of the Substantial Presence as it relates to the IRS, and also in terms of the 180 days allowed by Canadian authorities that enable Canadians to be away without penalty. Thanks for your comment.
One more quick question., I arrive in the US on Nov 15 and return to Canada on April 15….on the 2022 8840 form for the period January 1, 2022 – December 31, 2022 where it asks visa type (B2) and date of entry….do I enter enter Nov15, 2021 or January 1, 2022?
I understand the form is by the year, not the personal schedule. Ergo, all days in one full calendar year should noted, and if one is in the country on Jan 1 of a new year, that’s when the days for that year start.
Like many Snowbirds, I keep a no interest US bank checking account in the US to pay my U.S. HOA, utility and property taxes for my US seasonal home. That account maintains a minimum balance and derives no interest or income…My bank accounts in Canada are my routine banking accounts where I do the majority of my banking and hold… Read more »
I know how I would do it, Peter. I’m not a financial person, nor do I know the peccadilloes of the IRS over and above what’s written on their pages. Sorry, I cannot decide for you.
I entered the US Dec 13/21 and will be crossing back into Canada June 01/22. at the very top of the form you need to enter two dates the first section has the year 2021 already entered so because I was only in the US for that year starting Dec 13 I assume I put that as my beginning date.… Read more »
With my apologies for the delay in responding, I expect you’ll now find all your answers on this page: https://canadian-snowbird.com/irs-8840-form/
How many 8840 form from the same house can be mailed in one envelope?
I just fill in one form and indicate both our names and passport numbers where requested.
Yes indeed. And if still in doubt, visit this site for the info direct from the U.S. government.
Hi Gilles. I wasn’t able to get a formal answer, but I can tell you that couples often include both of theirs in one envelope. I don’t see as how many in one envelope would be any issue at the receiving end either.
Form 8840 Line 1…what is immigration status? Since we have no VISA or I94, or can you just put date you arrived
If I interpret your question properly, in the absence of VISA or other referred to documents, I would simply put the date you arrived in the U.S.
What does “current year” mean ? January 1 to December 31? Day you arrive in the US and day you leave the US ?
Not sure of where on the form you are to get the whole context of your question, but I take “current year” on the form to mean the year we are in right now, from January 1 through December 31st.
Can anybody help with Question 13 as to what is required when it asks to
“attach verification”
whay may this entail ? 2018 tax return ?
I understand it to mean that I would attach a photocopy of the summary page of my tax return. Anyone else?
Hi,
Is there any way we can either email the form or upload it to the IRS?
I don’t own a printer anymore…
J.D., I can only tell you what the IRS says… “When and Where To File If you are filing a 2018 Form 1040NR or Form 1040NR-EZ, attach Form 8840 to it. Mail your tax return by the due date (including extensions) to the address shown in your tax return instructions. If you do not have to file a 2018 tax… Read more »
We are travelling snowbirders and have multiple US addresses (RV Parks and State Parks) throughout the year. What should we enter in the “Address in the United States field”?
Good question. The area in question has enough room for multiple addresses I would think. Or, enter the one in which you were at longest, and add a note saying that you are transient RV’ers or some such, and here’s a list of other addresses. That’s what I’d do, anyway.
Hi,
I can’t seem to find the 2019 form 8840 on line. They are all 2018 ones. Could you email me one?
Thanks,
Diane Fettig
Hello Diane. I’ve checked, and as far as the IRS is concerned, I guess, the 2018 form is the current one, since they have not updated their site with a new form. Just go to the link on the page and download the form.
2019 is not over so there is no 2019 form. The IRS is only concerned with the 2018 tax year. Information for 2016, 2017 and 2018 is required.